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		<title>By: Dave M</title>
		<link>https://www.ourvalleyvoice.com/2019/07/18/locals-protest-detention-of-migrant-children/#comment-19882</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jul 2019 00:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So what about Obama&#039;s racism?  Remember his pastor?  hHis spiritual leader saying &quot;God damn America&quot;?  He is/was no less racist than you accuse Trump of being.  Why is Black racism ok?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what about Obama&#8217;s racism?  Remember his pastor?  hHis spiritual leader saying &#8220;God damn America&#8221;?  He is/was no less racist than you accuse Trump of being.  Why is Black racism ok?</p>
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		<title>By: K</title>
		<link>https://www.ourvalleyvoice.com/2019/07/18/locals-protest-detention-of-migrant-children/#comment-19857</link>
		<dc:creator>K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jul 2019 15:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The term &quot;migrant &quot; is being used to o freely. Migrants are people who have migrated to our country like many of our ancestors and legally entered this Country. They came for a better life and worked and learned the language and contributed to our Nation. 
These our children of illegal parents who can here to abuse our system of free medical, housing, schooling and money. 
All at the cost of tax paying citizens.  We as a Nation as well as a State cannot afford to front the bill for this anymore. The politicians plan to remedy this is to raise taxes. They don&#039;t care because they don&#039;t pay for it, If they show they care and are compassionate for the cause it&#039;s because they know that&#039;s more votes for them and their concerns in the future. That&#039;s the fruit of it all! That&#039;s all they care about!
Keep this up and taxes will be at 45% and more before too long.
These aren&#039;t migrants they are criminals breaking the law to take advantage of our Governments naive attitude and the great Legal tax paying citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term &#8220;migrant &#8221; is being used to o freely. Migrants are people who have migrated to our country like many of our ancestors and legally entered this Country. They came for a better life and worked and learned the language and contributed to our Nation.<br />
These our children of illegal parents who can here to abuse our system of free medical, housing, schooling and money.<br />
All at the cost of tax paying citizens.  We as a Nation as well as a State cannot afford to front the bill for this anymore. The politicians plan to remedy this is to raise taxes. They don&#8217;t care because they don&#8217;t pay for it, If they show they care and are compassionate for the cause it&#8217;s because they know that&#8217;s more votes for them and their concerns in the future. That&#8217;s the fruit of it all! That&#8217;s all they care about!<br />
Keep this up and taxes will be at 45% and more before too long.<br />
These aren&#8217;t migrants they are criminals breaking the law to take advantage of our Governments naive attitude and the great Legal tax paying citizens.</p>
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		<title>By: Californian</title>
		<link>https://www.ourvalleyvoice.com/2019/07/18/locals-protest-detention-of-migrant-children/#comment-19843</link>
		<dc:creator>Californian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jul 2019 21:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>‘Racism and Hate’ in Trump’s World: Haters and racists has always been a part of America and have never gone away.  Now in Trump World it has become “acceptable” for them to stop hiding under their subliminal tidy whitey pointed hats because they finally have a President that proudly recognizes them as true patriots and he is someone they can openly call their beloved leader.  Mirror imaging. 

A Matter of Faith, Democracy in Trump’s World: Trump Faith is not spiritual, kind, gentle, loving, or forgiving toward others unless they look and sound just like him and his kind.  Trump Democracy is only for those who look and sound like him and his kind because anyone who thinks and looks different then they do automatically becomes the enemy, so says the President who not only tweets that is so but verbally proclaims it is so. Trump and his kind relish in mocking, demoralizing and tormenting “their perceived enemies”.  The Word of God has been replaced by the Word of Trump.  The Constitution and Rule of Law has been replaced by Trump and The Rule of Trump.  He and he alone rules America because in Trump World he IS America.  

Shades of Nazi Germany:  Abhorrent dehumanizing treatment of people; separating families; housing people in cages; and locking people up in detention camps.  America has had a intimate long history of detention camps and their dehumanizing treatment of people all the way back prior to and including  the Civil War, the American-Indian wars, World War II, prison chain gangs, Guantanamo Bay (Gismo),  State prisons and in city jails.  All made possible by the kind of citizens who looked the other way with their ability to justify anything no matter what.  Like Trump’s kind are now doing in Trump World. 

‘Very Un-American’:  America has always had its lion’s share of ugly Americans and around here Tulare County is no exception.   Finally they have a President that proudly recognizes and embraces them for who they are.  Trump did not personally make people ugly.  They have always been around quietly living, breathing, and embracing their feelings of being better than, or perhaps left behind, misunderstood, wanting to rage against societal norms, feelings of hate toward others who think and act differently from them, all the while patiently waiting for a fearless leader to come along who personifies and embraces them all.  Trump is using them for his own person gains and when he is through with them, based on his years of past behaviors, he will toss them aside like yesterday’s garbage.   I wish I could conjure up some sympathy toward them, but it is just too damn hard to do as each day passes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>‘Racism and Hate’ in Trump’s World: Haters and racists has always been a part of America and have never gone away.  Now in Trump World it has become “acceptable” for them to stop hiding under their subliminal tidy whitey pointed hats because they finally have a President that proudly recognizes them as true patriots and he is someone they can openly call their beloved leader.  Mirror imaging. </p>
<p>A Matter of Faith, Democracy in Trump’s World: Trump Faith is not spiritual, kind, gentle, loving, or forgiving toward others unless they look and sound just like him and his kind.  Trump Democracy is only for those who look and sound like him and his kind because anyone who thinks and looks different then they do automatically becomes the enemy, so says the President who not only tweets that is so but verbally proclaims it is so. Trump and his kind relish in mocking, demoralizing and tormenting “their perceived enemies”.  The Word of God has been replaced by the Word of Trump.  The Constitution and Rule of Law has been replaced by Trump and The Rule of Trump.  He and he alone rules America because in Trump World he IS America.  </p>
<p>Shades of Nazi Germany:  Abhorrent dehumanizing treatment of people; separating families; housing people in cages; and locking people up in detention camps.  America has had a intimate long history of detention camps and their dehumanizing treatment of people all the way back prior to and including  the Civil War, the American-Indian wars, World War II, prison chain gangs, Guantanamo Bay (Gismo),  State prisons and in city jails.  All made possible by the kind of citizens who looked the other way with their ability to justify anything no matter what.  Like Trump’s kind are now doing in Trump World. </p>
<p>‘Very Un-American’:  America has always had its lion’s share of ugly Americans and around here Tulare County is no exception.   Finally they have a President that proudly recognizes and embraces them for who they are.  Trump did not personally make people ugly.  They have always been around quietly living, breathing, and embracing their feelings of being better than, or perhaps left behind, misunderstood, wanting to rage against societal norms, feelings of hate toward others who think and act differently from them, all the while patiently waiting for a fearless leader to come along who personifies and embraces them all.  Trump is using them for his own person gains and when he is through with them, based on his years of past behaviors, he will toss them aside like yesterday’s garbage.   I wish I could conjure up some sympathy toward them, but it is just too damn hard to do as each day passes.</p>
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		<title>By: Concerned</title>
		<link>https://www.ourvalleyvoice.com/2019/07/18/locals-protest-detention-of-migrant-children/#comment-19827</link>
		<dc:creator>Concerned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jul 2019 04:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.ourvalleyvoice.com/2019/07/18/locals-protest-detention-of-migrant-children/#comment-19821&quot;&gt;Enraged Activist&lt;/a&gt;.

You crack me up Enraged.....
It&#039;s crowed....it&#039;s not built to hold 300 bodies. Please go down to the Mexico border far to the south and tell them not to come in. The centers are full. 
Your comment committing crimes does not entail inhumane treatment. I&#039;ve got friends who&#039;s children have been killed by illegals, who&#039;ve spend very little time in prison. Would you like to speak to them? 
Our statue of Liberty that&#039;s a shinning beacon for all, doesn&#039;t say sneak in the back door in the middle of the night...we&#039;ll take care of you.  
We have laws and they should be following them, their wouldn&#039;t be a worry for toothpaste if they would.</description>
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<p>You crack me up Enraged&#8230;..<br />
It&#8217;s crowed&#8230;.it&#8217;s not built to hold 300 bodies. Please go down to the Mexico border far to the south and tell them not to come in. The centers are full.<br />
Your comment committing crimes does not entail inhumane treatment. I&#8217;ve got friends who&#8217;s children have been killed by illegals, who&#8217;ve spend very little time in prison. Would you like to speak to them?<br />
Our statue of Liberty that&#8217;s a shinning beacon for all, doesn&#8217;t say sneak in the back door in the middle of the night&#8230;we&#8217;ll take care of you.<br />
We have laws and they should be following them, their wouldn&#8217;t be a worry for toothpaste if they would.</p>
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		<title>By: Concerned</title>
		<link>https://www.ourvalleyvoice.com/2019/07/18/locals-protest-detention-of-migrant-children/#comment-19826</link>
		<dc:creator>Concerned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jul 2019 04:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.ourvalleyvoice.com/2019/07/18/locals-protest-detention-of-migrant-children/#comment-19817&quot;&gt;Enraged Activist&lt;/a&gt;.

so do you also know that 92% of the so called asylum seekers claims are denied?.....because you can&#039;t claim asylum for financial reasons....

How long have we been trying to &#039;help&#039; these countries? Their so called leaders steal all the money and never help their own people. 

All this has been going on for decades....just because we now have someone in office who truly wants to fix it you cry foul.  Obama told them not to come. He sent back over 3 million people during his term in office. No one was screaming let them in then. 

Have you not seen what&#039;s happened to Europe? We aren&#039;t only talking about Mexican people. The Presidents first job is to keep America safe. 

You talk about the children....and what of those that are being used over and over as pawns? DNA has proven that many of the children don&#039;t belong to who brought them in.  Does Sex trafficking mean anything to you?  How many have been caught in CA alone?  

You really believe people are being made to drink out of the toilet bowl? That is their lie, and you believed it hook line and sinker. 
Gullible much?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.ourvalleyvoice.com/2019/07/18/locals-protest-detention-of-migrant-children/#comment-19817">Enraged Activist</a>.</p>
<p>so do you also know that 92% of the so called asylum seekers claims are denied?&#8230;..because you can&#8217;t claim asylum for financial reasons&#8230;.</p>
<p>How long have we been trying to &#8216;help&#8217; these countries? Their so called leaders steal all the money and never help their own people. </p>
<p>All this has been going on for decades&#8230;.just because we now have someone in office who truly wants to fix it you cry foul.  Obama told them not to come. He sent back over 3 million people during his term in office. No one was screaming let them in then. </p>
<p>Have you not seen what&#8217;s happened to Europe? We aren&#8217;t only talking about Mexican people. The Presidents first job is to keep America safe. </p>
<p>You talk about the children&#8230;.and what of those that are being used over and over as pawns? DNA has proven that many of the children don&#8217;t belong to who brought them in.  Does Sex trafficking mean anything to you?  How many have been caught in CA alone?  </p>
<p>You really believe people are being made to drink out of the toilet bowl? That is their lie, and you believed it hook line and sinker.<br />
Gullible much?</p>
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		<title>By: Enraged Activist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Enraged Activist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jul 2019 00:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.ourvalleyvoice.com/2019/07/18/locals-protest-detention-of-migrant-children/#comment-19819&quot;&gt;Jg&lt;/a&gt;.

I think I prefer to listen to the people who actually visited the concentration camps and have seen what it’s like than listen to someone who used to run them (i.e. a HEAVILY biased source).
If you’d like, I can and will gladly provide links to my sources confirming that the immigrants held in concentration camps are not being held in humane conditions, and that confirm that this administration has gone ON RECORD saying that the people in the concentration camps don’t need toothbrushes or soap. My question is this: can you provide sources that can prove that the people in the camps are not being mistreated? No biased sources allowed, i.e. no current or former ICE officials, and no one within the Trump administration/cabinet (their bias lies in the fact that many are laying what is happening at the border at their feet, and thus they have a strong incentive to deny any wrongdoing).

Also, I hate that I have to keep repeating this as it should be bloody common sense, BUT COMMITTING CRIMES DOES NOT ENTAIL INHUMANE TREATMENT!!! Even if we could agree on whether the immigrants at the border are criminals (which we clearly don’t), the fact of the matter is that there are laws WITHIN THE U.S. CONSTITUTION THAT FORBID CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.ourvalleyvoice.com/2019/07/18/locals-protest-detention-of-migrant-children/#comment-19819">Jg</a>.</p>
<p>I think I prefer to listen to the people who actually visited the concentration camps and have seen what it’s like than listen to someone who used to run them (i.e. a HEAVILY biased source).<br />
If you’d like, I can and will gladly provide links to my sources confirming that the immigrants held in concentration camps are not being held in humane conditions, and that confirm that this administration has gone ON RECORD saying that the people in the concentration camps don’t need toothbrushes or soap. My question is this: can you provide sources that can prove that the people in the camps are not being mistreated? No biased sources allowed, i.e. no current or former ICE officials, and no one within the Trump administration/cabinet (their bias lies in the fact that many are laying what is happening at the border at their feet, and thus they have a strong incentive to deny any wrongdoing).</p>
<p>Also, I hate that I have to keep repeating this as it should be bloody common sense, BUT COMMITTING CRIMES DOES NOT ENTAIL INHUMANE TREATMENT!!! Even if we could agree on whether the immigrants at the border are criminals (which we clearly don’t), the fact of the matter is that there are laws WITHIN THE U.S. CONSTITUTION THAT FORBID CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT!</p>
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		<title>By: Jg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jul 2019 22:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can’t believe all the lies that are typed here!  First ya need to look up the definition of illegal!  Next y’all need to get your facts right &#038; quit lying on this post!  They are given everything they need, no toothpaste/toothbrush!  Really, what did they come here with???  Drinking out of toilet?  Really?  If seeking asylum, you must seek that asylum in the first border/country you enter!  If the legislature would change the laws &#038; fix immigration as opposed to looking in to the Trump/Russian collusion BS I for one would be impressed.  Y’all need to listen to ex ICE Chief Tom Holman, that will open your eyes to the truth &#038; not this BS. God Bless America!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can’t believe all the lies that are typed here!  First ya need to look up the definition of illegal!  Next y’all need to get your facts right &amp; quit lying on this post!  They are given everything they need, no toothpaste/toothbrush!  Really, what did they come here with???  Drinking out of toilet?  Really?  If seeking asylum, you must seek that asylum in the first border/country you enter!  If the legislature would change the laws &amp; fix immigration as opposed to looking in to the Trump/Russian collusion BS I for one would be impressed.  Y’all need to listen to ex ICE Chief Tom Holman, that will open your eyes to the truth &amp; not this BS. God Bless America!</p>
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		<title>By: Enraged Activist</title>
		<link>https://www.ourvalleyvoice.com/2019/07/18/locals-protest-detention-of-migrant-children/#comment-19817</link>
		<dc:creator>Enraged Activist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jul 2019 22:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.ourvalleyvoice.com/2019/07/18/locals-protest-detention-of-migrant-children/#comment-19775&quot;&gt;Di Casso&lt;/a&gt;.

Did you seriously just admit to not having sympathy for people who are being told to drink out of toilets? For children who haven’t been provided with toothbrushes and soap, and other basic necessities for health and hygiene?
I have no words for that.., no kind ones anyway.
BUT I might have an answer as to why they might risk the journey: fear. From the looks of it, many of the people coming to our borders are seeking asylum and refuge from places where they and their families are not safe. Maybe their children would have been exposed to danger whether or not they made the journey here, and they decided that risking the journey was better than living in fear of their children’s lives.
If you don’t have any sympathy for that, then I sincerely hope you’re never in a dangerous situation where you have to leave your home behind. I hope that, if you have children, that you are never put in a situation where no matter what choice you made, flee or stay, that they would be in danger. And if you ever are put in a situation where you need to flee your home and everything you love for your family’s safety, I truly, sincerely hope you are never subjected to the treatment that the immigrants coming here from Central and South America have received from our government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.ourvalleyvoice.com/2019/07/18/locals-protest-detention-of-migrant-children/#comment-19775">Di Casso</a>.</p>
<p>Did you seriously just admit to not having sympathy for people who are being told to drink out of toilets? For children who haven’t been provided with toothbrushes and soap, and other basic necessities for health and hygiene?<br />
I have no words for that.., no kind ones anyway.<br />
BUT I might have an answer as to why they might risk the journey: fear. From the looks of it, many of the people coming to our borders are seeking asylum and refuge from places where they and their families are not safe. Maybe their children would have been exposed to danger whether or not they made the journey here, and they decided that risking the journey was better than living in fear of their children’s lives.<br />
If you don’t have any sympathy for that, then I sincerely hope you’re never in a dangerous situation where you have to leave your home behind. I hope that, if you have children, that you are never put in a situation where no matter what choice you made, flee or stay, that they would be in danger. And if you ever are put in a situation where you need to flee your home and everything you love for your family’s safety, I truly, sincerely hope you are never subjected to the treatment that the immigrants coming here from Central and South America have received from our government.</p>
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		<title>By: Enraged Activist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Enraged Activist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jul 2019 21:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.ourvalleyvoice.com/2019/07/18/locals-protest-detention-of-migrant-children/#comment-19773&quot;&gt;Concerned Citizen in Tulare&lt;/a&gt;.

Please look up the definition of concentration camp in the Miriam Webster dictionary. The camps at the border meet the definition spot on. Furthermore, people do not deserve to be treated inhumanely for breaking the law. Prisoners who are citizens and have committed violent crimes have access to toothbrushes and soap, and this administration wants to argue that CHILDREN whose parents brought them here don’t need toothbrushes or soap!? Give me a break! What is happening at the border is wrong. We can disagree on how to handle immigration, and what policies should be in effect, but if you can’t admit that the way immigrants are currently being treated in the CONCENTRATION CAMPS is wrong, please check your moral compass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.ourvalleyvoice.com/2019/07/18/locals-protest-detention-of-migrant-children/#comment-19773">Concerned Citizen in Tulare</a>.</p>
<p>Please look up the definition of concentration camp in the Miriam Webster dictionary. The camps at the border meet the definition spot on. Furthermore, people do not deserve to be treated inhumanely for breaking the law. Prisoners who are citizens and have committed violent crimes have access to toothbrushes and soap, and this administration wants to argue that CHILDREN whose parents brought them here don’t need toothbrushes or soap!? Give me a break! What is happening at the border is wrong. We can disagree on how to handle immigration, and what policies should be in effect, but if you can’t admit that the way immigrants are currently being treated in the CONCENTRATION CAMPS is wrong, please check your moral compass.</p>
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		<title>By: Californian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Californian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jul 2019 15:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.ourvalleyvoice.com/2019/07/18/locals-protest-detention-of-migrant-children/#comment-19775&quot;&gt;Di Casso&lt;/a&gt;.

It is not illegal to come to U.S. borders &quot;seeking&quot; asylum and refuge. They are not coming in without permission.  They are stuck at the border.  The ones who are being held in cages are the ones who are being &quot;processed&quot;.  What kind of people who would put their children in danger crossing a desert, etc.?  How about the people who came in covered wagons to California looking for gold?  How about ALL the people who left their countries of origin looking for a better way of life in America and build this country? We are all decedents of immigrants.  There was a time when it wasn&#039;t necessary to &quot;apply&quot; for permission to come to America.  Perhaps it would please you to retro evict all generations from America who&#039;s ancestors were not given permission to come here. If so, are your bags packed?</description>
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<p>It is not illegal to come to U.S. borders &#8220;seeking&#8221; asylum and refuge. They are not coming in without permission.  They are stuck at the border.  The ones who are being held in cages are the ones who are being &#8220;processed&#8221;.  What kind of people who would put their children in danger crossing a desert, etc.?  How about the people who came in covered wagons to California looking for gold?  How about ALL the people who left their countries of origin looking for a better way of life in America and build this country? We are all decedents of immigrants.  There was a time when it wasn&#8217;t necessary to &#8220;apply&#8221; for permission to come to America.  Perhaps it would please you to retro evict all generations from America who&#8217;s ancestors were not given permission to come here. If so, are your bags packed?</p>
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