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		<title>By: VisaliaCItyResident</title>
		<link>https://www.ourvalleyvoice.com/2019/04/02/lets-call-the-whole-thing-off/#comment-18138</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Apr 2019 23:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Noam Chomsky did an interview on Democracy Now last year and he had this to say on election meddling:

&quot;You can predict the outcome of a presidential or congressional election with remarkable precision by simply looking at campaign spending. That’s only one part of it. Lobbyists practically write legislation in congressional offices. In massive ways, the concentrated private capital, corporate sector, super wealth, intervene in our elections, massively, overwhelmingly, to the extent that the most elementary principles of democracy are undermined. Now, of course, all that is technically legal, but that tells you something about the way the society functions. So, if you’re concerned with our elections and how they operate and how they relate to what would happen in a democratic society, taking a look at Russian hacking is absolutely the wrong place to look. Well, you see occasionally some attention to these matters in the media, but very minor as compared with the extremely marginal question of Russian hacking.&quot;

https://www.democracynow.org/2018/7/27/noam_chomsky_on_mass_media_obsession

Mr. Oldenbourg, in the online meta-political discourse, you are what we would call a “lib.” I moved to San Francisco for college thinking I would find a home in such an enlightened and progressive part of California as opposed to central California, but what I have experienced is the opposite. In my view, poor people have it just as bad, if not worse, in the “liberal” America as they do in the “conservative” America. As I am sure you will see in the comments, people have much more immediate and real concerns that they want their elected representatives to address than internet trolls which is what Chomsky is saying. 

I agree there was a legitimate question as to whether Trump knowingly conspired with an adversarial foreign government to win the election, but I believe I speak for most of us when I say that deep down, we all knew a rich white man was not going to be held accountable for his crimes or held to the same standards that the rest of us poor have to abide by. Heck, Manafort lead an “otherwise blameless life” of laundering hundreds of millions in political blood money while teachers in Atlanta were sentenced to more than a decade in prison for allegedly altering standardized test scores. Even if the special counsel found the most incriminating evidence imaginable, maybe shooting a man in the middle of fifth avenue, it would not matter because impeachment is a political process. If it is not politically advantageous to hold the president accountable for his crimes, it is not going to happen. 

Finding Russian collusion and imprisoning Trump is not going to free our government from corruption. It is not going to create jobs, increase my wages, lower my rent, or give me healthcare. There are so many political issues that unite democrat and republican voters, but Russian collusion is clearly not one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noam Chomsky did an interview on Democracy Now last year and he had this to say on election meddling:</p>
<p>&#8220;You can predict the outcome of a presidential or congressional election with remarkable precision by simply looking at campaign spending. That’s only one part of it. Lobbyists practically write legislation in congressional offices. In massive ways, the concentrated private capital, corporate sector, super wealth, intervene in our elections, massively, overwhelmingly, to the extent that the most elementary principles of democracy are undermined. Now, of course, all that is technically legal, but that tells you something about the way the society functions. So, if you’re concerned with our elections and how they operate and how they relate to what would happen in a democratic society, taking a look at Russian hacking is absolutely the wrong place to look. Well, you see occasionally some attention to these matters in the media, but very minor as compared with the extremely marginal question of Russian hacking.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.democracynow.org/2018/7/27/noam_chomsky_on_mass_media_obsession" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.democracynow.org/2018/7/27/noam_chomsky_on_mass_media_obsession</a></p>
<p>Mr. Oldenbourg, in the online meta-political discourse, you are what we would call a “lib.” I moved to San Francisco for college thinking I would find a home in such an enlightened and progressive part of California as opposed to central California, but what I have experienced is the opposite. In my view, poor people have it just as bad, if not worse, in the “liberal” America as they do in the “conservative” America. As I am sure you will see in the comments, people have much more immediate and real concerns that they want their elected representatives to address than internet trolls which is what Chomsky is saying. </p>
<p>I agree there was a legitimate question as to whether Trump knowingly conspired with an adversarial foreign government to win the election, but I believe I speak for most of us when I say that deep down, we all knew a rich white man was not going to be held accountable for his crimes or held to the same standards that the rest of us poor have to abide by. Heck, Manafort lead an “otherwise blameless life” of laundering hundreds of millions in political blood money while teachers in Atlanta were sentenced to more than a decade in prison for allegedly altering standardized test scores. Even if the special counsel found the most incriminating evidence imaginable, maybe shooting a man in the middle of fifth avenue, it would not matter because impeachment is a political process. If it is not politically advantageous to hold the president accountable for his crimes, it is not going to happen. </p>
<p>Finding Russian collusion and imprisoning Trump is not going to free our government from corruption. It is not going to create jobs, increase my wages, lower my rent, or give me healthcare. There are so many political issues that unite democrat and republican voters, but Russian collusion is clearly not one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnny Dee</title>
		<link>https://www.ourvalleyvoice.com/2019/04/02/lets-call-the-whole-thing-off/#comment-18136</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Apr 2019 21:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a load of horse hockey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a load of horse hockey.</p>
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		<title>By: M Moore</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Apr 2019 19:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joseph, 
Shall we knock down every issue you&#039;ve brought up? I think you would need to agree that Obama was still President when all these &#039;investigations&#039; started against Trump. 

Trump Jr meeting with the Russian at the tower, about adoption.....that is why he started making calls to get out of the room. 
Funny how you don&#039;t talk about the bugging of Trump Tower by the Democratic party. 

Funny how Eric Holder never did go before Congress to be asked about Fast and Furious, and the death of Brian Terry. 
Copied off wiki page, As a result of a dispute over the release of Justice Department documents related to the scandal, Attorney General Eric Holder became the first sitting member of the Cabinet of the United States to be held in contempt of Congress on June 28, 2012 in a vote largely along party lines in a Republican-controlled House.[17][18] At Holder&#039;s request, President Barack Obama had invoked executive privilege for the first time in his presidency in order to withhold documents that &quot;were not generated in the course of the conduct of Fast and Furious.

Funny how Hillary Clinton is now under investigation for her foundation and who and how donations were run through it.  If you don&#039;t think all those millions of dollars from Foreign Agencies weren&#039;t a pay for play access, what were they for? 
Hillary will be under investigation for Uranium One soon, along with Mueller since he&#039;s the one who walked it into Russia. 
Funny that there isn&#039;t a good regular copy of Obama&#039;s b/c.....or none of his transcripts are available to us, or that no one remembers him in college. 
Speaking of his college, why did he get a foreign aid grant? Why did he bow and kiss the Saudi Kings ring? 
Those aren&#039;t conspiracy theories if they actually happened. (and they did)
Funny how it was fine to elect a community organizer to be President. 

Let me add some real news to this reply,
Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) and Ilhan Omar (D-MN) have put aside their differences with the president to join a bipartisan letter backing Trump’s announced plans to withdraw troops from Syria now that Islamic State has been defeated.
The 2015 introduction of U.S. military forces into hostilities in Syria was never approved by Congress, in violation of the Constitution and the War Powers Resolution of 1973. We believe that the stated intention of withdrawing our forces is appropriate, and we look forward to the orderly return of our service members from this theater of conflict.”  This from the Noble Peace prize President Obama......so what should we do to Obama for going into an undeclared war? 

You need to let some of your anger towards President Trump go Joseph.....Hate kills people, it makes people sick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joseph,<br />
Shall we knock down every issue you&#8217;ve brought up? I think you would need to agree that Obama was still President when all these &#8216;investigations&#8217; started against Trump. </p>
<p>Trump Jr meeting with the Russian at the tower, about adoption&#8230;..that is why he started making calls to get out of the room.<br />
Funny how you don&#8217;t talk about the bugging of Trump Tower by the Democratic party. </p>
<p>Funny how Eric Holder never did go before Congress to be asked about Fast and Furious, and the death of Brian Terry.<br />
Copied off wiki page, As a result of a dispute over the release of Justice Department documents related to the scandal, Attorney General Eric Holder became the first sitting member of the Cabinet of the United States to be held in contempt of Congress on June 28, 2012 in a vote largely along party lines in a Republican-controlled House.[17][18] At Holder&#8217;s request, President Barack Obama had invoked executive privilege for the first time in his presidency in order to withhold documents that &#8220;were not generated in the course of the conduct of Fast and Furious.</p>
<p>Funny how Hillary Clinton is now under investigation for her foundation and who and how donations were run through it.  If you don&#8217;t think all those millions of dollars from Foreign Agencies weren&#8217;t a pay for play access, what were they for?<br />
Hillary will be under investigation for Uranium One soon, along with Mueller since he&#8217;s the one who walked it into Russia.<br />
Funny that there isn&#8217;t a good regular copy of Obama&#8217;s b/c&#8230;..or none of his transcripts are available to us, or that no one remembers him in college.<br />
Speaking of his college, why did he get a foreign aid grant? Why did he bow and kiss the Saudi Kings ring?<br />
Those aren&#8217;t conspiracy theories if they actually happened. (and they did)<br />
Funny how it was fine to elect a community organizer to be President. </p>
<p>Let me add some real news to this reply,<br />
Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) and Ilhan Omar (D-MN) have put aside their differences with the president to join a bipartisan letter backing Trump’s announced plans to withdraw troops from Syria now that Islamic State has been defeated.<br />
The 2015 introduction of U.S. military forces into hostilities in Syria was never approved by Congress, in violation of the Constitution and the War Powers Resolution of 1973. We believe that the stated intention of withdrawing our forces is appropriate, and we look forward to the orderly return of our service members from this theater of conflict.”  This from the Noble Peace prize President Obama&#8230;&#8230;so what should we do to Obama for going into an undeclared war? </p>
<p>You need to let some of your anger towards President Trump go Joseph&#8230;..Hate kills people, it makes people sick.</p>
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